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My Little Insight into Chu Shong Tin's final years

3/18/2015
When my friend Kris Collins moved to Hong Kong in 2006 to train with Chu Shong Tin, we waited with baited breath for him to relay stories back of epic chi sau battles, fights on roof tops and a rapid progression through the wing chun system.  However, the stories that came back were a bit different.  He told us was about a  guy from Australia (Seb) who had been there for one year had been able to demonstrate the power of Nim Lik.  He had done this by working on his stance training 5 nights a week, 5 hours a night.  We did not know what Nim Lik was, but Kris told us that Chu ShongTin ascribed his abilty to produce unstopable force from this power, and that up until that point none of his students had achieved it.

When we finally got to Hong Kong in 2007-08, everyone was still standing with very little chi sau going on.  Once we tested Chu shong Tin and his students we soon understood  why. The power was unstoppable, not in a brute force way, but you could not figure out where it came from. The more you tried to stop it, the more uncomfortable it was.  To be honest however, deep down I was not totally convinced, I wanted to feel crushing power everytime I touched Sigung, but his demonstration were sometimes about the quality of the movement, something I did not understand at the time. Also , his level of skill we so high it seemed to me students were expecting to achieve this from a method of practice apparently unrelated. To his credit, Mark Ho was hooked, he got what was about and I have never seen anyone so unwavering in their desire to acheive.

It is not an easy path to practice this method, many of Sigung's students left whilst eager foreign students came and went.  Even those that could acheive it with Sigung' help where not necessarily able to use it under pressure.

Mark and I returned to Hong Kong several times after this, at first sight it appeared people had progressed but not at the pace first  imagined. The last time we went was March 2014, only a few months  before Sigung died. We could see he was ill but every night he trained, taught and wowed us with his ability and power. Finally the penny dropped for me, I had an idea what it was about, also his students had progressed exponentially and the relaxed structure they have been developing was fused to the skills previously obtained to devastating  effect. Practicing chi sau was impossible with them, I rolled with Nima King and he went straight through me. It was a pleasure to be crushed by someone who had progressed so far.

Sigung attributed finding his ability  to following the simple advice given to him by Ip Man - practice sil lim tao, think upwards and soften your arms and legs.  After two years of following this he was able to produce sufficient power to  beat all of his peers.  This simple idea  (little idea) is not easy to swallow.

I have been  lucky to have a little window on what happened during this period of Sigung's teaching.  60+ years of practice  refined to level never likely to be achieved again.

We would not ask our students to follow only the training process demanded by Sigung in the last years of  life (although it is a significant part of our curriculum). Most of his students had already completed the wing chun system and were  there to invest in seeking the missing pieces.   It takes a lot of faith to focus solely on that method and we would likely be lonely figures if we did.  What Sigung showed us was that we could all do better if we were just able to let go more.  Crucially , but frustratingly, letting go but not 'trying' is not simple . In fact it is the hardest thing of all.

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Alan Williams link
3/17/2015 10:05:39 pm

I started Wing Chun after I had experienced an very brutal assault. My confidence had been shaken and I wanted to learn to defend myself - at least not be an easy target. At the time, learning to stand and relax wasn’t what I needed. I came to think of it as a luxury; I wanted useful self defence techniques first.

I have tried a number of martial arts since, and It’s been along and often confusing journey. I now realise, as Shihan Joe Thambu says, there is no silver bullet. However, I also realise that having a few solid skills is no bad thing. For me it brings situation awareness and a bit of confidence.

If I am reading this post correctly, it strikes the balance between learning Wing Chun skills and refining them with relaxation - letting go - and not one over the other. I like this and I have been waiting a long time for such an explanation and approach.

I have been told many times, by many people: relax, relax, relax, you are too stiff; soften up. And I always think, yes I know, I would like to, but for me it’s hard. Stop telling me to relax, I will find that when I can. And when a group of people are trying to mash me to a pulp and bash me with a golf club, relaxing is hard.

For what it’s worth, I was once discussing self defence with a very skilful Aikido sensei, Scott Allbright, and his advice was: “get out of the way”.

No Silver Bullets.

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Daniel Parr
3/17/2015 11:35:22 pm

Thanks for the comments Alan. When I started wing chun I had previous martial arts experience so was content to give it some time before I expected the wing chun to become effective. For some people their need for self defence may be more pressing and the relaxation option can seem a distraction to the job at hand.

For me there is no point in telling a new student to relax if you cannot demonstrate how that is going to be directly effective. A floppy noodle arm is of no use unless the body is relaxing into a solid structure. If you have not experienced it in others and yourself you will never trust it and never rely on it.

My view is that martial art practice is not the same as self defence. Most arts teach you how to interact in a situation more akin to a duel, in that both individuals have agreed to fight by a set of rules. In self defence you have not agreed to be attacked by someone, they do not follow rules and failure can mean death. Self defence is in itself a huge subject covering situation awareness, psychology as well as fighting (and I agree running if possible).

Our method of wing chun is not a panacea. It aims to quickly (relatively) give you sufficient body awareness that you can create great stopping power in your limbs without over commitment. The skills of the system should be learned as you go along as anyone who believes in secret techniques or holding back forms is kidding themselves and their students.

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Saj Aziz
3/18/2015 03:33:20 am

Dann that is a fantastic article one which many wing chun practitioners have no knowledge of

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